→ Côté interface comptable (la vôtre) : vous pouvez, bien sûr, sélectionner des transactions et attribuer en masse la mention “justificatif facultatif”.
Mais, évidemment, notre but est de vous simplifier la tâche. Nous vous recommandons donc de créer des règles pour marquer automatiquement un justificatif comme facultatif à partir d’un libellé. Par exemple, toutes vos transactions de libellé “Salaire” pourront porter la mention “justificatif facultatif”. De ce fait, toutes ces transactions seront “Justifiées” côté client.
Pour vous faire gagner du temps, nous avons déjà paramétré vos anciennes règles de contrepartie automatique : désormais, elles portent la mention “justificatif facultatif” et les transactions impactées seront automatiquement classées dans le statut “justifié” du client.
⚠️ Cependant, ce paramétrage ne concerne pas les règles affectant une contrepartie 401 ou 411 aux transactions qui, elles, garderont la mention “justificatif requis” et resteront donc dans le statut “Non justifié” du client. Cela laisse l’opportunité à votre client d’attacher ses factures fournisseurs et clients aux transactions qui nécessitent un justificatif.
Si vous attendiez toujours que votre client vous transmette son justificatif sur une transaction de contrepartie 401, vous ne serez plus obligé de lui signaler par email ou par demande comptable. Ces transactions-là resteront “Non justifiées” jusqu’à ce qu’il appose un justificatif.
Bien sûr, les règles automatiques restent complètement personnalisables : n’hésitez pas à les modifier à votre guise en fonction de votre besoin. Vous pouvez d’ailleurs créer une règle sans renseigner de contrepartie, mais simplement pour signaler que le justificatif de certaines transactions est facultatif : cela affectera toutes ces transactions dans le statut “Justifié” automatiquement !
Pour les cas particuliers, le statut “Demande comptable”, que vous connaissez bien, est évidemment toujours à votre disposition pour signaler des transactions qui nécessiteraient un éclairage de la part de votre client.
Voici un récapitulatif du nouveau comportement.
\t\t\t Interface comptable \t\t\t | \t\t\tInterface gestion | \t\t
---|---|
Transaction sans contrepartie | \t\t\tNon justifiée | \t\t
Transaction avec contrepartie | \t\t\tNon justifiée | \t\t
Transaction avec ou sans contrepartie + justificatif facultatif | \t\t\tJustifiée | \t\t
💡 Toutes les informations complémentaires se trouvent dans ces articles du centre d’aide :
Traiter les transactions bancaires
Pour finir, je ne vous dirai donc pas “à vos claviers” mais plutôt… À vos règles !
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Pour nous adapter à votre manière de travailler, nous avons donc modifié la logique des statuts de factures côté client.
Pas de panique, cela ne vous impacte finalement que peu, mais votre client sera peut-être un peu plus assidu dans la transmission de ses justificatifs. C’est ce que nous voulons tous n’est-ce pas ?
Reprenons du début.
Il y a encore quelques jours, les transactions que vous traitiez par une règle de contrepartie automatique, par exemple Débit 401 <> Crédit 512 passaient automatiquement au statut “Justifié” sur l’interface de vos clients.
Or, il n’est pas rare que vous attendiez quand même un justificatif de la part du client, et surtout s’il s’agit du paiement d’un fournisseur ! Dans ce cas précis, il n’est donc pas logique que la transaction passe en statut “Justifié” côté client. C’est pourtant ce qui se passait.
La conséquence : certains de vos clients étaient confus et ne comprenaient pas pourquoi une transaction était justifiée alors qu’ils n’avaient pas attaché leur justificatif, et les autres ne transmettaient plus leurs factures, pensant que la transaction était déjà justifiée.
Fini la confusion ! Désormais, l’ajout d’une contrepartie à une transaction n’est plus corrélée au statut de la facture côté client.
→ Côté interface gestion (celle de votre client) : toutes les transactions prennent par défaut le statut “non justifié”.
Pour qu’elles prennent le statut “Justifié” :
Sur l’interface gestion, votre client peut attacher un justificatif à une transaction, ou marquer en masse des justificatifs comme facultatifs ou perdus.
→ Côté interface comptable (la vôtre) : vous pouvez, bien sûr, sélectionner des transactions et attribuer en masse la mention “justificatif facultatif”.
Mais, évidemment, notre but est de vous simplifier la tâche. Nous vous recommandons donc de créer des règles pour marquer automatiquement un justificatif comme facultatif à partir d’un libellé. Par exemple, toutes vos transactions de libellé “Salaire” pourront porter la mention “justificatif facultatif”. De ce fait, toutes ces transactions seront “Justifiées” côté client.
Pour vous faire gagner du temps, nous avons déjà paramétré vos anciennes règles de contrepartie automatique : désormais, elles portent la mention “justificatif facultatif” et les transactions impactées seront automatiquement classées dans le statut “justifié” du client.
⚠️ Cependant, ce paramétrage ne concerne pas les règles affectant une contrepartie 401 ou 411 aux transactions qui, elles, garderont la mention “justificatif requis” et resteront donc dans le statut “Non justifié” du client. Cela laisse l’opportunité à votre client d’attacher ses factures fournisseurs et clients aux transactions qui nécessitent un justificatif.
Si vous attendiez toujours que votre client vous transmette son justificatif sur une transaction de contrepartie 401, vous ne serez plus obligé de lui signaler par email ou par demande comptable. Ces transactions-là resteront “Non justifiées” jusqu’à ce qu’il appose un justificatif.
Bien sûr, les règles automatiques restent complètement personnalisables : n’hésitez pas à les modifier à votre guise en fonction de votre besoin. Vous pouvez d’ailleurs créer une règle sans renseigner de contrepartie, mais simplement pour signaler que le justificatif de certaines transactions est facultatif : cela affectera toutes ces transactions dans le statut “Justifié” automatiquement !
Pour les cas particuliers, le statut “Demande comptable”, que vous connaissez bien, est évidemment toujours à votre disposition pour signaler des transactions qui nécessiteraient un éclairage de la part de votre client.
Voici un récapitulatif du nouveau comportement.
\t\t\t Interface comptable \t\t\t | \t\t\tInterface gestion | \t\t
---|---|
Transaction sans contrepartie | \t\t\tNon justifiée | \t\t
Transaction avec contrepartie | \t\t\tNon justifiée | \t\t
Transaction avec ou sans contrepartie + justificatif facultatif | \t\t\tJustifiée | \t\t
💡 Toutes les informations complémentaires se trouvent dans ces articles du centre d’aide :
Traiter les transactions bancaires
Pour finir, je ne vous dirai donc pas “à vos claviers” mais plutôt… À vos règles !
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Bonjour,
J’ai bien compris cette nouvelle règle (qui change quand même pas mal la pratique quotidienne).
Par contre, quelle est la bonne pratique pour les imputations manuelles faites directement depuis la banque. La transaction reste en statut “non justifiée” côté dirigeant ce qui peut être faut (cas des salaires, par exemple, qui peuvent être lettrés en 421 mais avoir le statut “non justifié”). Faut-il systématiquement ajouter un statut justificatif (“facultatif” ou “perdu”) lors de l’imputation manuelle de la transaction?
Merci
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L’action de lettrage ne devrait-elle pas avoir un impact sur le statut côté dirigeant? A priori, une opération lettrée devrait présenter le statut “justifié”. Merci
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Antoine JAUNET a écrit:\tL’action de lettrage ne devrait-elle pas avoir un impact sur le statut côté dirigeant? A priori, une opération lettrée devrait présenter le statut “justifié”. Merci
\t\t
Chez nous ça passe bien en justifié côté gestion sauf quelques bugs
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Bonjour @Antoine JAUNET ,
l’intention de cette amélioration a été de ne pas passer à côté des justificatifs manquants. On a plus pensé aux cas comme :
Je pense il faudrait considérer vos cas dans un développement.
En attendant je propose aussi de passer ces lignes (421 ...) en “facultatif” par le comptable.
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En revanche, le lettrage d’une transaction avec une OD (avec ou sans pièce jointe) ou avec une facture sans pièce, ne change pas le statut de la transaction en ‘justifiée’ côté gestion.
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Merci @Stefan ENGLER pour ces précisions.
Notre fonctionnement, jusqu’alors, était de laisser en “transaction en attente”, toutes les transactions non justifiées. De cette manière, la vue client est strictement égale aux comptes 471 (et est la base de nos échanges avec le client).
Nous n’utilisons pas les reclassements en comptes clients/fournisseurs si nous n’avons pas le justif.
Je trouve cela donc moins pratique de devoir marquer les transactions en justif facultatif.
Sur le sujet du lettrage, il me paraît nécessaire de faire évoluer cette règle.
Merci
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Et recommander VIVEMENT le client à indiquer des motifs de virement concis et toujours avec les mêmes mots clés utilisés dans la règle.
Pour les salaires je préconise le fichier de virement préparé par le gestionnaire de paie (qui aura toujours le même libellé).
Cette nouveauté change TOUT et Pennylane devient beaucoup + intéressant ainsi. Le cabinet peut affecter des contreparties mais une transaction peut être en attente de justificatif côté gestion (la balle est côté gestion) et on sait le travail qu'il reste à faire par le cabinet indépendamment des imports restants à effectuer par le client.
Ce qui règle ce problème : https://community.pennylane.com/revision-32/transaction-apparaissant-comme-justifiees-533?postid=1527#post1527
Manque en page entreprise ou/ou ailleurs le compteur des transactions non justifiées+en demandes comptables pour avoir une visu et relancer les clients.
Vous indiquez \"De cette manière, la vue client est strictement égale aux comptes 471 (et est la base de nos échanges avec le client\" : il suffit de passer en vue gestion pour avoir la vue client.
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