Quand on constate la description superflue de la prochaine amélioration prévue sur ce sujet SI STRATEGIQUE pour notre travail au quotidien, et annoncé dans <2 mois (donc pour noël quoi) il ne faut pas s’attendre à grande chose à mon ample avis. On n’aperçoit aucun travail conceptuel fourni par qui que ce soit ici.
Voilà une petite chronologie perso :
La création d’une idée il y a 2 mois (3e tentative) :
https://community.pennylane.com/ideas/ameliorer-les-suggestions-de-la-reconciliation-deuxieme-vague-983
C’est post est déjà la deuxième tentative de pousser ce sujet. regardez ce qui c’est dit il y a 4 mois :
https://community.pennylane.com/saisie-7/nos-resultats-des-test-du-nouveau-module-de-reconciliation-812il y a 7 mois (la première tentative) :
https://community.pennylane.com/ideas/ameliorer-les-suggestions-de-la-reconciliation-613Ne vous laissez pas berner par le sticker “implémentée” - lisez les répliques et vous allez comprendre.
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Bonjour à tous,
@Stefan ENGLER nous vous remercions pour votre message.
Ce que l'on mesure et observe:
Ce qui pourrait nous aider ce sont des exemples précis pour mieux identifier des cas potentiellement absurdes. N’hésitez pas à nous les partager.
Sur les points évoqués:
il est tout à fait possible qu'une transaction comprenne plusieurs factures, et que le montant total de la transaction soit supérieur au montant total TTC d'une facture individuelle. Cela peut se produire pour plusieurs autres raisons
\tLes équipes sont attentives à vos retours et soyez rassuré qu’elles gardent bien en tête que toute expérience peut être améliorée !
Très belle fin de semaine,
Alexandre
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Vos chiffres sont en effet impressionnants. Si votre outil produit un taux de bonne suggestions aussi élevé que ça je vais devoir participer à une formation pour apprendre comment mettre cette fonctionnalité pleinement en action sur mes dossiers.
Moi je n’arrive même pas à 2 % !
La je me connecte sur un dossier et je prends au pif la première transaction. C’est désastreux !
Ringo propose pour une transaction de 75 euros :
des avoirs frs à -300 ! et une facture frs à +300
Alors je précise c’est une somme qui arrive sur le compte, donc à priori il faudrait matcher ça avec des factures de vente.
Bon, voici comment je fais pour avancer :
Je continue …
et je clique vraiment au hasard. Si vous pensez les 75 euros est un mauvais exemple, voici alors cet exemple quand on élargi la recherche avec la barre “Chercher parmi les factures” pour 96 euros
J’ai en tout 2 117 suggestions !
Autant dire “chercher une aiguille dans une botte de foin.
CONCLUSION
Personnellement j’ai abandonné !!
Je fais mes réconciliation à l'ancienne et surtout pas avec l’aide de Ringo, car c’est une perte de temps. Je souligne j’aime bien Pennylane, ces lignes ce n’est vraiment pas pour me plaindre.
Mon seul espoir, c’est que vous allez mettre quelques bêta-testeurs sur le coup pour faire en sorte que votre logiciel fasse au moins ça qu’on vous promets avec les statistiques de 80% et plus que vous citez. Moi je n’ai pas ces chiffres honnêtement.
","board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:forum-saisie"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:7197"},"author":{"__typename":"User","login":"Stefan_ENGLER"},"postTime":"2024-02-16T16:21:36.000+01:00","kudosSumWeight":2}},{"__typename":"MessageEdge","cursor":"MjUuM3wyLjF8b3w1fDE0OjAsMzk6MXw0","node":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","uid":7198,"body":"Bonsoir,
Idem ici…
C'est le problème avec les abonnements ou prestations avec une mensualité identique... Il faut faire attention aux dates et ne pas accepter la suggestion de réconciliation à l'aveugle (côté compta ou gestion...)
Pour les autres éléments Ringo ne se trompe pas tout le temps et fait de bonnes suggestions.
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Néanmoins, Ringo me propose une facture de janvier pour une transaction de juillet alors même que la transaction de janvier est déjà lettrée...
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Bonjour,
Quand je vois ce texte je suis content, enfin une réconciliation automatique en vue… !
mais je fais part ici de mon expérience : Ringo ne trouve rien ou se trompe à beaucoup de coups !
Est-ce qu’il travaille mieux pour vous ?
Ici dans l’exemple il s’agit d’un abonnement à un logiciel (non, pas PL) :
Ringo doit apprendre qu’il faut lettrer la transaction du 26/6 avec la facture du 15/6. Pas la peine de proposer la transaction pour la facture du 7/7. Actuellement il m’embrouille plus qu’il m’aide, car je dois vérifier sa proposition pour me rendre compte qu’elle n’est pas bonne.
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Quand je vois ce texte je suis content, enfin une réconciliation automatique en vue… !
mais je fais part ici de mon expérience : Ringo ne trouve rien ou se trompe à beaucoup de coups !
Est-ce qu’il travaille mieux pour vous ?
Ici dans l’exemple il s’agit d’un abonnement à un logiciel (non, pas PL) :
Ringo doit apprendre qu’il faut lettrer la transaction du 26/6 avec la facture du 15/6. Pas la peine de proposer la transaction pour la facture du 7/7. Actuellement il m’embrouille plus qu’il m’aide, car je dois vérifier sa proposition pour me rendre compte qu’elle n’est pas bonne.
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Ringo trouve très souvent la mauvaise transaction","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:7198"},"body":"Bonsoir,
Idem ici…
C'est le problème avec les abonnements ou prestations avec une mensualité identique... Il faut faire attention aux dates et ne pas accepter la suggestion de réconciliation à l'aveugle (côté compta ou gestion...)
Pour les autres éléments Ringo ne se trompe pas tout le temps et fait de bonnes suggestions.
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Néanmoins, Ringo me propose une facture de janvier pour une transaction de juillet alors même que la transaction de janvier est déjà lettrée...
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Mais pour le moment je trouve il est encore au stade : “peut mieux faire”
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J’aime bien sa tendance à accorder généreusement des frais bancaires - mdr !
La solution ?
En fait le pdf est un document envoyé pour une échéance de prêt. C’est comme si le total du prêt a inspiré Ringo plus que la mensualité - ha 😆🤣ha😆🤣ha !
Une petite question sur Ringo est ses copains :
Si Ringo a hérité son nom de Ringo Star, alors que font
dans Pennylane ?
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Bonjour,
Je viens juste de poser la question à la « hotline » qui m’a renvoyé sur le forum pour une demande d’amélioration
Alors à ce stade, cela dépasse le niveau de l’amélioration, ce n’est pas du tout au point.
Une facture d’août de 532.71 euros de Brico dépôt avec un paiement d’octobre de 375,58 Amazon , n’a aucun sens.
Et j’ai des remontées clients qui ont abandonné d’essayer de réconcilier à cause de cela… trop de perte de temps.
Une facture Amazon avec un paiement Mac do, ni la même date, ni le montant, et ni le fournisseur.
Au 3 -ème cas, ils abandonnent, avec en prime un e-mail de mécontentement.
Il faut améliorer grandement l’algo et donner la possibilité à l’utilisateur de mettre une marge sur le montant et/ou sur la date.
Ou mettre en place un vrai système de lettrage en masse, sur numéro de pièce (dommage manque la colonne) ou sur montant, date, avec écart ajustable… bref, des outils de lettrages qui ont fait leurs preuves.
Et là, force est de constater qu’il manque quelque chose.
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Ce sujet est un “Evergreen” pour moi. Je me suis pleinement impliqué personnellement et depuis de longs mois, mais pour un résultat proche du néant !
Selon ma pratique sur PL j’ai à ce jour toujours un taux de réussite de Ringo d’environ 2 à 3 % ! pas plus c’est certain ! Pour visualiser la misère, càd sur 100 transactions Ringo va matcher correctement 2 à 3 lignes.
Mais nous ne devons pas nous voiler la face. Avez-vous vu un commentaire d’un product owner ici au forum. Nous ne savons même pas qui est à la manette pour la conception de Ringo.
Correction : Oui j’ai trouvé une réponse de @Laura Ville qui est très impliqué en effet. (sur le fil d’il y a 7 mois)
Regardez la road map de PL :
Quand on constate la description superflue de la prochaine amélioration prévue sur ce sujet SI STRATEGIQUE pour notre travail au quotidien, et annoncé dans <2 mois (donc pour noël quoi) il ne faut pas s’attendre à grande chose à mon ample avis. On n’aperçoit aucun travail conceptuel fourni par qui que ce soit ici.
Voilà une petite chronologie perso :
La création d’une idée il y a 2 mois (3e tentative) :
https://community.pennylane.com/ideas/ameliorer-les-suggestions-de-la-reconciliation-deuxieme-vague-983
C’est post est déjà la deuxième tentative de pousser ce sujet. regardez ce qui c’est dit il y a 4 mois :
https://community.pennylane.com/saisie-7/nos-resultats-des-test-du-nouveau-module-de-reconciliation-812il y a 7 mois (la première tentative) :
https://community.pennylane.com/ideas/ameliorer-les-suggestions-de-la-reconciliation-613Ne vous laissez pas berner par le sticker “implémentée” - lisez les répliques et vous allez comprendre.
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Merci pour ton retour même s’il cela confirme mes gros doutes…
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Un conseil à Ringo :
“Si tu trouves une transaction reconcilié avec une facture, alors le montant de la transaction t’aidera à valider le montant TTC reconnu par le robot”.
Voici le cas précis que j’observe aujourd’hui:
En fin de compte la transaction indique le bon montant !
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